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Albert Johanneson

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21^st Jul 2008 at 1:56 pm

Outside-left

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Fail 3 driving tests and have your licence to learn revoked. By then it's pretty clear that you should not be behind the wheel of a car. That old bint who passed after 28 tests being on the roads is not exactly a promotion of active road safety.

I failed my test 3 times and passed on the 4th, What you said is b*ll*cks, im a bloody good driver and have never been in an accident or caused one. Whereas one of mates who passed on their first go has been involved in several crashes and written off 3 cars.
Nerves is the main reason people fail their tests not necessarily poor diving.

I simply don't understand how someone can take more than 3 attempts to pass the test and be seen as a competent driver in the eyes of lawmakers. If I took 3 attempts to pass a foundation English GCSE i'd be ridiculed and rightly so.

Then again, maybe with a certain percentage of the population who do fail more than they should, it triggers something in their brain which tells them they are sh*t drivers and might just kill someone via their own stupidity, which in turn makes them think extra carefully when on the road and as a byproduct, turns them into competent drivers. Who knows?

I'd say most people that fail do so because of the ridiculous stress you are put under, the better way would be for you to have to complete a minimum amount of supervised driving time (like pilots with flying) then you have 3 tests where they average out the score. I've also heard it alleged by a couple of driving instructors that they can only pass so many people per day...

That's actually a really good idea. And yes, i've also heard that they run on a government induced quota system, but everything seems to these days.

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klinsmann18

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21^st Jul 2008 at 2:00 pm

Matt.

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Anyone who even so much as looks at a police officer the wrong way is arrested. They are not employed for the benefit of the a*seholes that harass them.

That'd be me f*cked then (for looking at them the wrong way, I've never harassed a copper that hasn't harassed me first).

My main beef is with louts/idiots/drunks thinking they can do what they like to Policemen/women and not expect to be clamped down on. I'm sure you realise the kind of people i mean.....those that wind up Police purely because they are police. Yes there are tw*t coppers, and i know a few, but the Police force is there for peoples benefits, and whilst i understand each officer is different, and people have issues with them, it riles me to see people disrespecting them for no reason.

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Albi The Racist Dragon

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21^st Jul 2008 at 9:09 pm

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Fail 3 driving tests and have your licence to learn revoked. By then it's pretty clear that you should not be behind the wheel of a car. That old bint who passed after 28 tests being on the roads is not exactly a promotion of active road safety.

I failed my test 3 times and passed on the 4th, What you said is b*ll*cks, im a bloody good driver and have never been in an accident or caused one. Whereas one of mates who passed on their first go has been involved in several crashes and written off 3 cars.
Nerves is the main reason people fail their tests not necessarily poor diving.

I simply don't understand how someone can take more than 3 attempts to pass the test and be seen as a competent driver in the eyes of lawmakers. If I took 3 attempts to pass a foundation English GCSE i'd be ridiculed and rightly so.

A driving test isn't like a GCSE, there isn't a pass mark, you can fail with one mistake. I failed my first test for not turning into a bus lane when I could have done, hardly unsafe.

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Albert Johanneson

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21^st Jul 2008 at 9:14 pm

Outside-left

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Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Quote: Captainstupido
Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Fail 3 driving tests and have your licence to learn revoked. By then it's pretty clear that you should not be behind the wheel of a car. That old bint who passed after 28 tests being on the roads is not exactly a promotion of active road safety.

I failed my test 3 times and passed on the 4th, What you said is b*ll*cks, im a bloody good driver and have never been in an accident or caused one. Whereas one of mates who passed on their first go has been involved in several crashes and written off 3 cars.
Nerves is the main reason people fail their tests not necessarily poor diving.

I simply don't understand how someone can take more than 3 attempts to pass the test and be seen as a competent driver in the eyes of lawmakers. If I took 3 attempts to pass a foundation English GCSE i'd be ridiculed and rightly so.

A driving test isn't like a GCSE, there isn't a pass mark, you can fail with one mistake. I failed my first test for not turning into a bus lane when I could have done, hardly unsafe.

It's a test though, which is my point. Having to repeat any test 3(+) times should tell you certain things.

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Bob Flapper

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22^nd Jul 2008 at 10:24 am

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Rayanne Graff

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22^nd Jul 2008 at 10:33 am

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"TUNE!"
"pc4pc"
"Yummy Mummy"
or
"Wahey"
...must have a bloody good explanation why or will face a £150 fine.

i think this is the best so far.

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the doc

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22^nd Jul 2008 at 11:22 am

What's a little sin to see us through?

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Anyone caught saying:
"Political correctness gone mad!"
"Friendly bacteria"
"TUNE!"
"pc4pc"
"Yummy Mummy"
or
"Wahey"
...must have a bloody good explanation why or will face a £150 fine.

i think this is the best so far.

Yeah, me too

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the doc

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23^rd Jul 2008 at 3:02 pm

What's a little sin to see us through?

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For the record, 14-15 year old Northern teenagers are very conservative in their views about the death penalty, teenage mothers and asylum seekers.

My experience of that has been the same, there's kids in Skipton go round putting up posters for the BNP and stuff. I wonder if the same thing is the case in any other parts of the country, the kids being right-wing, I mean. It'd make an interesting (although potentially extremely depressing) case study, that's for sure.

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Elusive Moose

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23^rd Jul 2008 at 10:39 pm

Get your Antlers on

Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom

Quote: pablomarmite
Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Quote: Captainstupido
Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Fail 3 driving tests and have your licence to learn revoked. By then it's pretty clear that you should not be behind the wheel of a car. That old bint who passed after 28 tests being on the roads is not exactly a promotion of active road safety.

I failed my test 3 times and passed on the 4th, What you said is b*ll*cks, im a bloody good driver and have never been in an accident or caused one. Whereas one of mates who passed on their first go has been involved in several crashes and written off 3 cars.
Nerves is the main reason people fail their tests not necessarily poor diving.

I simply don't understand how someone can take more than 3 attempts to pass the test and be seen as a competent driver in the eyes of lawmakers. If I took 3 attempts to pass a foundation English GCSE i'd be ridiculed and rightly so.

A driving test isn't like a GCSE, there isn't a pass mark, you can fail with one mistake. I failed my first test for not turning into a bus lane when I could have done, hardly unsafe.

It's a test though, which is my point. Having to repeat any test 3(+) times should tell you certain things.

Not really, I made mistakes in my driving test that I'd NEVER make under normal circumstances, never had in my driving lessons once when I was learning and it was only the situation that made me so (completely missing a light go green and speeding up to go on a full dual carriage- not something even a learner at the beginning of their lessons would do, but I just stopped working as soon as they got into the car with their clipboard and yellow visi-jacket). To me, written examinations are completely different- you have time to sit, compose yourself and check through what you've written. In practical examinations it's now or never and one stupid mistake and that's it (I was the same in violin exams- would be able to play pieces off by heart and pretty well in normal circumstances, but get me into the exam hall on a stage infront of one person staring at you and my hand was all over the place. I got the exact mark I needed to pass my grade 6 and that was clearly only because he could tell I was nervous and probably realised that had severely affected my performance, which the DSA obviously can't do...)

One of the best drivers I know passed after 6 tests and some of the worst after one.

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Penn

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23^rd Jul 2008 at 10:52 pm

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Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Quote: pablomarmite
Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Quote: Captainstupido
Quote: Squirrell_of_Doom
Fail 3 driving tests and have your licence to learn revoked. By then it's pretty clear that you should not be behind the wheel of a car. That old bint who passed after 28 tests being on the roads is not exactly a promotion of active road safety.

I failed my test 3 times and passed on the 4th, What you said is b*ll*cks, im a bloody good driver and have never been in an accident or caused one. Whereas one of mates who passed on their first go has been involved in several crashes and written off 3 cars.
Nerves is the main reason people fail their tests not necessarily poor diving.

I simply don't understand how someone can take more than 3 attempts to pass the test and be seen as a competent driver in the eyes of lawmakers. If I took 3 attempts to pass a foundation English GCSE i'd be ridiculed and rightly so.

A driving test isn't like a GCSE, there isn't a pass mark, you can fail with one mistake. I failed my first test for not turning into a bus lane when I could have done, hardly unsafe.

It's a test though, which is my point. Having to repeat any test 3(+) times should tell you certain things.

Not really, I made mistakes in my driving test that I'd NEVER make under normal circumstances, never had in my driving lessons once when I was learning and it was only the situation that made me so (completely missing a light go green and speeding up to go on a full dual carriage- not something even a learner at the beginning of their lessons would do, but I just stopped working as soon as they got into the car with their clipboard and yellow visi-jacket). To me, written examinations are completely different- you have time to sit, compose yourself and check through what you've written. In practical examinations it's now or never and one stupid mistake and that's it (I was the same in violin exams- would be able to play pieces off by heart and pretty well in normal circumstances, but get me into the exam hall on a stage infront of one person staring at you and my hand was all over the place. I got the exact mark I needed to pass my grade 6 and that was clearly only because he could tell I was nervous and probably realised that had severely affected my performance, which the DSA obviously can't do...)

One of the best drivers I know passed after 6 tests and some of the worst after one.

One of the biggest problems with the driving test is that during the test, no one actually drives the way they normally would, and thats what causes a lot of good drivers to fail. Its not just nerves, its the fact that in order to pass, you have to do things in a certain way, which may not be the way you normally do things. I took lessons the week before my test and was told I'd be marked down on completely ridiculous things. Driving slow in a higher gear than normal, simple things like clutching... other things that made me feel in less control of the car than my normal way. You should be tested on how you drive, not how you're supposed to drive cos at the end of the day, whether people pass or fail, once they leave they'll go back to the way they feel more comfortable and in control.

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24^th Jul 2008 at 1:02 am

Thing is though, the way you describe as driving in a test is how you are actually supposed to drive, thats why you get taught how to drive like that and thats why you get tested on that. (ignoring the gears thing, since I'm not quite sure what you mean.)

The reason you're not tested on how you drive is because everyone will have their own approach and in 99% of all cases, that approach will be wrong.

I know this from speaking to my instructor, back when I had lessons, its only when he learned how to teach driving that he realised just how bad and dangerous a driver he actually was, I'd imagine it will be the same for most people.

It why, despite buying a car to learn in, I'm still going to get lessons when I get close to my test, just to iron out the bad habits and crap that I will no doubt have picked up and that will make me a less safe driver.

Like Amy? (Adding this within seconds of my first post so can't see the original) said, the safest driver she knows failed their test 6 times, but each one of those failures forced an adaptation to their driving, conscious or not, which overall made them better able to pass a test and also, because of it a much safer driver.

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Snowflake

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24^th Jul 2008 at 6:25 am

Lady Lobschter

On what Amy said too, back a good 30 years ago my mum learnt to drive with the police. She never sat a formal test, but instead carried a passenger of authority, can't remember who, as well as her instructor and the other learners and when she pulled over to stop was told she had passed.

Over the next few days she was driving panda cars etc.

So should it be that your instructor would have rights to pass you rather than an examiner? After all, they've known you for a hell of a lot longer than a 50 minute test, seen that you can do everything, not just a few specifics on a test run, and they've also seen your mistakes.

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Elusive Moose

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24^th Jul 2008 at 9:01 am

Get your Antlers on

I always thought that should be the way. Like have them assess you over a series of lessons but not make the learner aware of this. Maybe have a list of criteria that the pupil should be able to fulfill and when they do this consistantly that's when you get your driving license? Of course you'd have to trust the instructor's judgement as a few could just try and get people to stay on to get more money out of them, but it seems a lot fairer and more accurate way of assessing someone than a fifty minute, highly pressurised situation. (Which can also work the other way- I know of people who were told they weren't ready to take their test, did so and passed, then crashed very soon afterwards...)

Talking of cars...

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Also, only one car per household unless you can prove a necessity for two, such as for people with walking difficulties/ wheelchairs. Public transport will be improved for this purpose.

While this is theoretically a good idea, in practise it just wouldn't work, especially not in places like I live. Putting on extra buses so people could get to the train stations or areas they work in would result in a lot of empty buses (they're rarely full now, save for peak times). Currently there's no way that my Dad could use public transport to get to the train station he goes to to get to London/ when he works in Northha,pton, and my Mum would add an extra hour to her journey and would be cutting it pretty fine should she have to get a number of buses. She needs her car for work purposes anyway (she teaches autistic kids so drives them places like Tescos/swimming, etc- public transport would be highly impractical, and 2 days a week she does 'outreach', which involves going to various schools, many of which are in remote villages and would not be connected to one another by public transport, nor would there be any demand for them to be). Having just one car would not be feasible, and it's a similar situation for most people that live in the villages around here. To make that a fair change you would have to put on so many more buses, but only have a couple of people using each service, which would almost make them just as bad as if those people chose to drive instead.

I think it would work for people living in cities- for the most part, should you live near or around Oxford city centre/Headington/Blackbird Leys etc, you can get to the vast majority of places surrounding the city within an hour and I'm sure it's the same for most other big cities. But for rural areas, cars are an unfortunate necessity and increasing public transport just wouldn't be worth it.

Edited by Elusive Moose Jul 2008

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Annie

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24^th Jul 2008 at 9:23 am

duuuuude! like, whoooooa!

The problem is that driving instructors working as part of a company are judged on the pass rate of their pupils, so they're bound to be more leniant. But then those who work independantly are paid per lesson so they'll want to keep giving each person lessons for as long as possible.

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Elusive Moose

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24^th Jul 2008 at 9:34 am

Get your Antlers on

Yeah I know, that's the main issue with it. I guess you could say that you need two people to sign it off or something, like moderation for coursework or whatever. To stop the first problem you could do as Phil said and have to complete a minimum amount of driving time- perhaps in months?- before you could even consider passing someone (there are some countries where you have to be a learner for a year before you're allowed to take your test I think, but the age where you can start learning is lower so it's not as much of an inconveninece as waiting to be 18 could be for some people)

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