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Captain Stupendo

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21st Nov 2007 at 2:11 pm

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Seeing as how theres a film review thread and theres a lot of gamers on VR I thought there should be a proper VR games reviews thread. You can review any title you like, retro, modern even online games. what do you guys think?
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21st Nov 2007 at 2:20 pm

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I think good idea, review a game dude, get us started :p

Captain Stupendo

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21st Nov 2007 at 2:32 pm

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Hows this for the basic layout?

Title: Assasins creed
Format: Xbox 360
Genre: 3rd person action adventure
Basic plot: er well your an assasin and you take people out as in kill em.
Hows it play: Really well, similar to the prince of persia series but far better executed, combats a bit easy though.
Graphics: True next gen, amazing on an HD tv
Fun factor: This lets it down as it quickly gets repetitive, not very exciting side missions and a bit predictable.
length: Lenghty story mode with loads of things to find and side quests... there just not that exciting.
Deaths: Thousands, your like superman on steroids but with a sword.
Soundtrack: Mostly medieval sounds and Arabic music, pretty good though
Highlight: Riding the horses and mounted combat, and swan diving from the top of huuuge towers.
Lowlight: repetitive, and a bit dull
My Score: 7/10
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21st Nov 2007 at 2:58 pm

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Good layout and I agree with the review, well done. I'll do one later maybes.

Freshly Squeezed Cynic

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21st Nov 2007 at 4:38 pm

Freshly Squeezed Cynic - apparently the big pink bastard is me

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God, I really want a Sloppy Joe right now.

Jewbacca

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21st Nov 2007 at 5:35 pm

Jewbacca - Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrgh!

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Fantastic idea, I'll do the old ctrl+F:'PC' in a week or so
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Dr Namgge

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21st Nov 2007 at 7:12 pm

Dr Namgge -

 
Quote: Captain_Stupendo
Hows this for the basic layout?

Title: Assasins creed
Format: Xbox 360
Genre: 3rd person action adventure
Basic plot: er well your an assasin and you take people out as in kill em.
Hows it play: Really well, similar to the prince of persia series but far better executed, combats a bit easy though.
Graphics: True next gen, amazing on an HD tv
Fun factor: This lets it down as it quickly gets repetitive, not very exciting side missions and a bit predictable.
length: Lenghty story mode with loads of things to find and side quests... there just not that exciting.
Deaths: Thousands, your like superman on steroids but with a sword.
Soundtrack: Mostly medieval sounds and Arabic music, pretty good though
Highlight: Riding the horses and mounted combat, and swan diving from the top of huuuge towers.
Lowlight: repetitive, and a bit dull
My Score: 7/10


I'm really not a fan of this layout of reviews, much prefer to actually discuss the games rather than sumarise with vague bullet points, but I'm more than up for reviewing some games.

I'll start with what's been about the only game I've played in the last week, Pokémon Pearl (which could also be a review of Pokémon Diamond I guess, seeing as it's the same game but with slight variences in Pokémon numbers). Pokémon Pearl is a member of the fourth generation of Pokémon RPG's this time for the Nintendo DS. As ever it's created far more monsters to catch, the total being 493 this time to fully complete the games Pokédex, (even more if you go after every version of every Pokémon).

The plot is the same farce from the last God knows how many games; you're a new trainer, who gets hold of his first Pokémon from the games professor expert, and are encouraged to go and beat the Elite Four. Along the way you'll be fighting eight gym leaders, and dealing with the evil plots of the villanous Team Galactic. You'll also be taking up lots of little sidequests, such as going from a to b with item c to clear the path to d. Oh and you've just gotta catch 'em all!

The game is, in all respects and purposes, is as deep as a childs paddling pool in terms of plot, but as deep as the pacific ocean in terms of actual battling. While each monster can still only know four moves at any one time, with nearly 500 monsters to choose from (though obviously not all of them are availiable from the start), and a whole slew of items, abilities, and a weakness and reisistance chart that makes it "the worlds most complicated game of rock-paper-scissorsTM", makes it a very deep and strategic game. Or you can just do what I do, accept the innevitable grind of levelling up, and take on each gym with a team that's about five levels tougher than the gym leaders Pokémon.

This is the problem with RPG's I feel. If you have the patience for it, you can just sit around, and become stupidly powerful to the point where the entire game becomes a walk in the park. Items like the Vs Seeker, which finds which trainers are ready to re-fight you, means you'll have a potentially neverending source of money, and experience points, so as long as you have the free time and patience you can start the game with powerful monsters. The Gym badge system initially stops this, but if you dedicate yourself to just six Pokémon, they will grow to like and respect you enough to obey your commands even though you don't own the gym badge that says they must obey you.

As I said earlier, a key point to any Pokémon game is the concept of "catching 'em all". Unfortunately, with more games into the series this has become harder and harder. Initially you only have to see all the Pokémon in the Sinnoh dex. I'm told this is possible by merely battling every trainer possible (I haven't actually finished it yet, hence why I'm still playing it). Once this is done, you unlock the national dex, and can thus begin properly going after every Pokémon.

Here begins the problem, as catching 'em all is easier said than done. Oh sure, or some Pokémon you'll just run into them in the wild, and can weaken them in a fight, then catch them in a Pokéball, or can level them up until they reach a certain level, and evolve, as has always been the case, but particularly in this game absurd evolutions have become more commonplace.

Back in the days of Red and Blue, the majority of Pokémon evolved through levelling up. A small handful evolved by the use of evolutionary stones (couldn't've been more than eleven but don't quote me), and four Pokémon evolved through being traded from one game to another. This was okay, it was simple, we could handle it, and for the most part the game did at least hint you in the right direction as to how this happened.

Not anymore though. Somewhere between Crystal (the last Pokémon game I played) and Pearl the rules for evolution sense, as well as catching sense for that matter, were thrown out the window. For instance, Combee will only evolve if it's female. My brother learnt this the hard way, and now has a level thirty five male Combee. According to his testimony, Combee is a sh*t Pokémon, and he was thoroughly annoyed to learn this. I only know this myself because I looked on Bulbapedia.

I find it to be particularly annoying for a game that stresses "gotta catch 'em all" as it's motto, that catching 'em all is nigh on impossible without an encylcpaedic webpages help. Some of the things you have to do to get all the Pokémon is ridiculously specific, and will be a real chore for any completist. For one, to complete Pearl's national dex you'll need someone with a copy of Diamond, and a spare DS, so you can get all the Pokémon not found in Pearl. You'll also need copies of Pokémon Fire Red, Pokémon Leaf Green, Pokémon Ruby, Pokémon Saphire, and (optionally) Pokémon Emerald all for the Gameboy Advance to be able to get all the Pokémon.

Lets assume for a moment you had a friend who was as equally as commited to completing the Pokédex. Not only would you have to play through two other games each, just to be able to obtain all the Pokémon in those, but also actually have to pay for these games as well. At £30 new, that's £90 each, or £180 and the cost of a DS (so £280), just to have the honour of a complete Pokédex. Even then you can't honestly finish it, as several legendary Pokémon can only be obtained through special promotional events held by Nintendo.

Of course, there is always the Nintendo Wi-Fi Global Trade System, located in one of the earlier cities to help your quest. Well in theory anyway. It's purely dumb luck what's availiable for trade on there, and you can bet that most of what's availiable isn't worthwhile. Another kick in the teeth for the GTS is that you can't actually ask for a trade for a Pokémon you haven't yet seen. Yes, that's right, you aren't alowed to seek out the very Pokémon you're after until you've seen one, either in the wild, or in a battle.

So it's basically impossible to fully finish the game without some sort of cheat device, or a multitude of time, patience, money and the ability to go to any and all Nintendo events, which makes the whole point of catching 'em all redudant.

Yet it's still a good game. Yes it's the exact same as the past three generations, yes the story is total b*ll*cks, and yes, you will find yourself having to stop and level up because the difficulty has suddenly spiked a good ten levels out of the blue. But despite this, the only complaint I have about the game is just how inobvious it is about some things. For instance there's a point after the fourth gym where in order to progress you have to chase a Galactic Grunt halfway up one of the routes, Naturally under the age old assumption of RPG NPC's (that nothing he says changes ever unless he moves in position), I ignored him for an age, and wanderred all around everything I had done prior to find the new bit to go to.

Otherwise it's a competent, and often enoyable RPG, that's as shallow as it needs to be, and as deep as you wish to make it. If you just want to finish it quickly, then that's possible, or you can spend ages investing in vitamins, and breeding Pokémon that start powerful and grow into total powerhouses.

Just don't ever expect to catch 'em all.
A Random Link
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[quote author=Enigmatic_Shrew link=1211581932/1455#1468 date=1216676278]You should try being me, I injure myself on an hourly basis in stupid and childish ways. I nearly gave myself a heart attack this morning when I stood on a glove.[/quote]

Gob

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21st Nov 2007 at 7:17 pm

Gob - Come on!

Come on!

 
I still can't and indeed never will, think of Pokemon as a "game". Its just a marketing scam, a ludicrously successful one as well.

Chris Kamara

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21st Nov 2007 at 7:33 pm

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I haven't a game to contribute to at the moment, but sound idea for a thread. I'll probably do Football Manager 08 soon enough.

Freshly Squeezed Cynic

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21st Nov 2007 at 7:34 pm

Freshly Squeezed Cynic - apparently the big pink bastard is me

apparently the big pink bastard is me

 
Worse than that. It's an addiction. Nintendo are shooting our veins up with rich, thick Pika-smack.

Animal

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21st Nov 2007 at 7:52 pm

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Game: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.
Platform: Xbox 360
Warning: Some spoilers contained.
Genre: Military/tactical FPS

This is the first CoD game I have properly sat and played, I have to say, its bloody amazing.

The basic plot follows a modern horror story, Nuclear Stockpiles being sold by Russian black market traders into the middle east for use in a massive scale terrorist strike against the western world.

This is told from the perspective of two main characters.
Sgt. John "Soap" MacTavish - 22nd SAS Regiment and Sgt. Paul Jackson - United States Marine Corps 1st Force Recon.

The game jumps every so often between these and one or two other characters, which if you weren't expecting it initially, like myself can be disorientating and somewhat confusing. However the system does make sense. The intertwining of two separate stories to make a single whole is handled very well also and manages to give a sense of the scope of the situation.

[highlight]In addition to these two characters, you will jump into the bodies of one or two others, one purely for story telling purposes, the other few for alternate takes on the mission or for a bit of background. Like when you shoot 15 years into the past into the body of your CO: Lt. Price - 22nd SAS Regiment to do a quick stealth/snipe infiltration mission. (Creating, to me a massive plot hole, since someone should not be alive in the modern timeline of the game.)
The other gameplay related jump is into the body of an unnamed gunner of an AC-130 Gun-ship, providing covering fire part way into the game for Soap and his squad mates.
[/highlight]

Graphically, the game is stunning, again, a HD TV will help matters here. It has to be said, their were a few moments between missions, when I forgot I was playing a game and thought it was a news report.. [highlight]Watching a nuke go off, even from a characters viewpoint scared the living sh*t out of me.. It was then in particular I forgot it was just a game as I saw one of the biggest horrors of the modern world occurring.[/highlight]

My biggest gripe about the game is one major flaw in the plot. [highlight]The fact, you assassinate someone, 15 years in the past, only to kill them again at the end of the game. - Just did some reading up, it seems I stand corrected - the sniper shot only removed his arm from him.. However, when I played it, the fact I got a headshot off on the guy kinda f*cks this fact up a little.[/highlight] Also the cover system needs reworking. The fact its a military/tactical shooter with such basic cover use as hiding behind a wall or simply ducking really doesn't cut it. Particularly when stacked up against the likes of GRAW and even the likes of GoW, both of who's use of cover was pretty well thought out.

If you are a fan of the series, or even if, like me you are new to it I'd highly recommend this game.. The missions are hard, but not so hard as to be impossible. Granted, part way through I decided to drop the difficulty a notch, but I have a habit of playing games on the highest or second highest setting by default anyway.

The one thing I find amusing is the fact that this and the MoH feel almost interchangeable in terms of gameplay.. The fact I have recently just worked through MoH: Airborne probably didn't help this mind set though.

Completion of the campaign mode gives an arcade mode option, where you play for points and have lives to lose, something I half appreciate the addition of, while not quite seeing the point of it.. I have yet to try multiplayer, though it looks to be quite interesting. I'm just waiting for a few more in the group of usual suspects I play with to grab this before I venture into that arena of the game.

Overall, I'd give the game a resounding 8.5 out of 10 sniper rounds to the head.

Edited by Animal Nov 2007
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Dr Namgge

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21st Nov 2007 at 7:58 pm

Dr Namgge -

 
Quote: Spider_Jerusalem
Worse than that. It's an addiction. Nintendo are shooting our veins up with rich, thick Pika-smack.


I dunno, there are much worse cash cows on the market than Pokémon. Pro Evo for one has been near enough the same game year on year, and is getting as bad as FIFA in terms of "this years update for last years game", and the Smackdown series has actually gotten worse since Smackdown Vs Raw '05, with all it's unnescessary "improvements".
A Random Link
I don't give a f*ck you f*cking f*ck!

[quote author=Enigmatic_Shrew link=1211581932/1455#1468 date=1216676278]You should try being me, I injure myself on an hourly basis in stupid and childish ways. I nearly gave myself a heart attack this morning when I stood on a glove.[/quote]

Gob

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21st Nov 2007 at 8:13 pm

Gob - Come on!

Come on!

 
[quote=That Thing link=1195654301/0#11 date=1195675137]Quote: Spider_Jerusalem
Worse than that. It's an addiction. Nintendo are shooting our veins up with rich, thick Pika-smack.


I dunno, there are much worse cash cows on the market than Pokémon. Pro Evo for one has been near enough the same game year on year, and is getting as bad as FIFA in terms of "this years update for last years game", and the Smackdown series has actually gotten worse since Smackdown Vs Raw '05, with all it's unnescessary "improvements".[/quote]

Yeah but you only need one Pro Evo every couple of years to "complete" a master league, but to complete, truly complete a Pokemon game you need slightly different versions of the same game! Tack onto that the Card games and cartoons and then you have a massive huge cash cow, the DS games alone in japan sold something stupid like 1.5 million copies and overall they've sold something stupid like 60 million games across the franchise in total!

Dr Namgge

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21st Nov 2007 at 9:09 pm

Dr Namgge -

 
Quote: Substance
[quote=That Thing link=1195654301/0#11 date=1195675137]Quote: Spider_Jerusalem
Worse than that. It's an addiction. Nintendo are shooting our veins up with rich, thick Pika-smack.


I dunno, there are much worse cash cows on the market than Pokémon. Pro Evo for one has been near enough the same game year on year, and is getting as bad as FIFA in terms of "this years update for last years game", and the Smackdown series has actually gotten worse since Smackdown Vs Raw '05, with all it's unnescessary "improvements".


Yeah but you only need one Pro Evo every couple of years to "complete" a master league, but to complete, truly complete a Pokemon game you need slightly different versions of the same game! Tack onto that the Card games and cartoons and then you have a massive huge cash cow, the DS games alone in japan sold something stupid like 1.5 million copies and overall they've sold something stupid like 60 million games across the franchise in total! [/quote]

thing is though, with Pokémon at least, is that it is a different game each time. Sure, there's no real difference between Diamond and Pearl bar which Pokémon you can catch, but in terms of what you can do, where you go, who you fight, what Pokémon you can fight with/against, and what side quests there are, and Diamond/Pearl is a very different game to Ruby/Saphire, Fire Red/Leaf Green, and even Gold/Silver, and the original Red/Blue.

Pro Evo 6 on the other hand, I can't see a difference between it and Pro Evo five, bar new teams, with new players, and a couple of asthetic changes. Last major change Pro Evo had was the inclusion of snow, and if I recall correctly, that was in number five, not six.

I know it's a football game, and there's not a lot you can do to tweak it before anyone says, but I stand by my point that Pro Evo (and football games any professional sports game played on a track or field) in general is nothing more than a yearly update for correct upto date kits, and nothing else.
A Random Link
I don't give a f*ck you f*cking f*ck!

[quote author=Enigmatic_Shrew link=1211581932/1455#1468 date=1216676278]You should try being me, I injure myself on an hourly basis in stupid and childish ways. I nearly gave myself a heart attack this morning when I stood on a glove.[/quote]

Gob

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21st Nov 2007 at 9:23 pm

Gob - Come on!

Come on!

 
[quote=That Thing link=1195654301/0#13 date=1195679376]Quote: Substance
[quote=That Thing link=1195654301/0#11 date=1195675137]Quote: Spider_Jerusalem
Worse than that. It's an addiction. Nintendo are shooting our veins up with rich, thick Pika-smack.


I dunno, there are much worse cash cows on the market than Pokémon. Pro Evo for one has been near enough the same game year on year, and is getting as bad as FIFA in terms of "this years update for last years game", and the Smackdown series has actually gotten worse since Smackdown Vs Raw '05, with all it's unnescessary "improvements".


Yeah but you only need one Pro Evo every couple of years to "complete" a master league, but to complete, truly complete a Pokemon game you need slightly different versions of the same game! Tack onto that the Card games and cartoons and then you have a massive huge cash cow, the DS games alone in japan sold something stupid like 1.5 million copies and overall they've sold something stupid like 60 million games across the franchise in total! [/quote]

thing is though, with Pokémon at least, is that it is a different game each time. Sure, there's no real difference between Diamond and Pearl bar which Pokémon you can catch, but in terms of what you can do, where you go, who you fight, what Pokémon you can fight with/against, and what side quests there are, and Diamond/Pearl is a very different game to Ruby/Saphire, Fire Red/Leaf Green, and even Gold/Silver, and the original Red/Blue.

Pro Evo 6 on the other hand, I can't see a difference between it and Pro Evo five, bar new teams, with new players, and a couple of asthetic changes. Last major change Pro Evo had was the inclusion of snow, and if I recall correctly, that was in number five, not six.

I know it's a football game, and there's not a lot you can do to tweak it before anyone says, but I stand by my point that Pro Evo (and football games any professional sports game played on a track or field) in general is nothing more than a yearly update for correct upto date kits, and nothing else.[/quote]

But much like any game franchise, pro evo, Mario you name it, its still essentially the same game albeit presented differently, I could for example, argue that Pokemon is the RPG equivalent of Pro evo, in that you still end up fighting battles with pokemon, much in the same way you still play a game of football.


 
 
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